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Ital: Okay the logo, The Cosmic Church of Truth, the symbol, how did that come about, what does that mean? Harold: Well the book shop carried this here logo, we went to the printer back in 1967 and he says after he got all of our stationary laid out to where we were on our design, envelops, he says, what's your logo? Well being wet behind the ears, and in farming countries you don't have logos, so anyway he gave me a catalog it was about five inches thick, of different designs so after we searched through all the different designs I pointed my finger and said that is it. Ital: So it don't mean nothing you just picked it up and that was it? Harold: Picked it up and it became a meaningful thing. Since then people have used this here as the two serpents. Ital: Yeah, cause now I see the serpent for the first time. Harold: The book of Genesis says the serpent represents the knowledge and the reunion so we use the Latin term of "reconciliatio conscientia" and of the reunion of knowledge. So we've attached that to this here and its held over the years, and then the church liked it so much and accepted to let them use it as well. Ital: I notice when I looked as two sixes I saw that. I've been seeing that, as we were talking I saw the cobra's head at the top, so I see that its just two snakes. Harold: And it shows the heart which is very much in the metaphysical line and everything has its certain information that was way beyond what I was thinking of. Ital: So it just fell in place. Harold: Just fell in place.   Ital: Okay. Healing, I came up with this question last night, I was having this dream and I was healing, energy was coming from my hand I was really sending it out, and it must was working because all of a sudden I got real weak, and I jumped up real quick and went outside and started doing some deep breathing and I noticed you do a lot of foot massage. When did that part come to you? Harold: Where there was a book on the book shelf in the book shop and Ethel: The book came to us before... Harold: That book was on the shelf for a long time... Ethel: Yeah, well no you had it sent to you. Years ago it was sent to him from a book company, Harper Publishing Company. They used to send the books out to see if you wanted them or not cause he was like on a Book of the Month sort of thing with them and he got to using that and working with it. Harold: Healing myself from the techniques they showed in there and wow, then we starting talking to customers coming in the book shop then we started doing work with them and we were healing them so wives were bringing their husbands and it worked, we were taking care of them so it just fell into place. Ital: I started coming in here I think around 1981 somewhere around the 80's and I notice you were in one place, then another place and you have been moving around over the years. How many places have you been in over the years? Ethel: We started in a house Ralph Street, we moved from there to King Street; from King Street to Herschell ... Harold: No, Edgewood... Ital: That's right, I remember Edgewood. Ethel: We were there for a year... Harold: Edgewood to Herschell. Ital: Then Hamilton to over here? Ethel/Harold: Yes. Ital: Now another thing that really caught my eye, there was this guy that used to sit here over here somewhere at this shop. When I first saw him he was kinda, I would say crippled. Was his name Ralph? Harold: Hmmm...(Clears throat) Ethel: What did he look like? Ital: Well he couldn't walk that well he was kinda crippled. Harold: Well I got a few of them. Ethel: Did he used to sit there? Ital: He used to sit right there in a chair all the time. (pointing at a chair near the bookshelf near the entrance). What was so surprising about him, it was like a miracle because I saw him get up and walk after a while, and I was wondering what kind of magic was that? Something is going on over there at that bookstore (laughs). Harold: (Laughs) I've had so many over the years, gee who could that have been? Ital: I used to know his name cause I would see him from time to time and he was real quiet, he would never say anything. He actually couldn't walk he was kinda crippled and after he sat here a few years or so he started to walk, so I thought maybe it was a healing thing yall had going on. Ethel: Was it Richard?!? Ital: I think that's his name. Harold: Collins? Ethel: Yeah. Harold: Maybe so! Ethel: Yeah. Ital: It started with an "R" ? Richard or Ralph I remember. I used to see him every now and then in different places, I haven't seen him in a few years now. Ethel: Yeah, everywhere we went... well he hasn't been around here for three or four years now. Ital: So were you doing some healing with him? Harold: Well you work with the reflexes in the feet, in other words, where is your soul (sole)? People says its here (pointing at head). Your soul is on the bottom of your feet and the book says that everything of jot and tittle is gonna be recorded. So the reflexes of your system records the information into the reflex of the feet. Well if you will take and break up the crystallized condition which becomes that problem you have supposed it's a bad shoulder then you work with the reflexes of the foot that relaxes this area (shoulder) bathes it with your own blood, well it just corrects it right then. Ital: You mean the blood flows? Harold: Your blood flows to the area being worked with and then its done within seconds not hours... Ital: That's what you meant by bathing with your own blood? Ethel: Circulating through your body, you can feel it, you can feel warmth. Harold: Your computer says here, relaxes muscles and ligaments and everything down there, so it does it. Ethel: You can feel the warmth going through your body. Harold: Its simple little thing but it sure does heal a bunch of people. Ital: I notice that your store says WHVH and I was wondering why was it WHVH instead of YHVH? Harold: It has nothing to do with the tetragramation. We started off back at the same printer, he said what are you going to call your shop. Hmmm, let me think about that. So we though, Well we wanted to show a little bit of an expression of spiritual things and occult things or whatever so I was looking in numerology... Ethel: He does numerology too. Harold: ...letters of the alphabet "W" stood for Spiritual and Change, so right there is a very good letter right there, "H" is Work and Balance and the "V" is for Profession or Professions the "H" is Work and Balance. SO if you set it in a sentence the spells "work professionally working" and that comes from your alphabet of the English languages you use, however the other languages of the world use the V's, H's what have you, we are not exclusive to that at all but there is definite meaning a definite value, so this is what we name it, WHVH and that becomes a spoken logos that anybody calls on the telephone they have to bring that message or that energy and immediately whether they know anything about it or not the giving of testimony to spiritual works by uttering it over the telephone. Ital: Word, Sound, Power. Harold: Word, sounds and all. Ethel: Yeah, right.  Click here continue reading the interview... |
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